WebProduct Description. Damn This is turning into that mob with the torches looking for Frankenstein. How many Illinois politicians wind up going to jail? Whats left after the hate which never leaves? They MUST be boycotted into bankruptcy. Going the other direction nobody would move. RRA will wind up being an LE only shop. Some times they have deals. Its like trying to work with Bloomberg himself. Its about the same price as an M1A. WebRock River Arms creates high quality rifles and pistols on the AR platform. But do they double down on their error (Target) or put things into place that not only fix the error but make them new and better than ever. Cant this fool see how much this is going to hes going to hurt his own pocketbook for this tiny edge? There never was a Henry fi rearms company (until 2002). Compare. Good for them. NOW all I can think is SHAME ON YOU!!!!!! Yes, very disappointed. Who the hell made this business decision and have they been fired yet? LAR 8 is a nice weapon. PERIOD. Henry? To be fair- since Bill Rugers death, the company has done a complete 180. Katrina gun confiscation showed us what any civil conflict will have as the belligerents, LEOs / Feds posing as LEOs giving you a hard choice.and a few Bundy-style standoffs. Henry and Ruger for the win. once you jump in bed with the marketing types. Or companies selling imported crap that pretend to be American. Personally hate to hear whenever CEOs or head honchos make public decisions costing their employees jobs/money. Moved my medical business AND brought my family. Yuge. I had the EMP4 Contour and a TRP on my 2017 list. We want our dealers and our valued customers to know we wont ever do anything like this again., We fully support the Second Amendment and stand by it. Bill may not have been perfect (who is), but his passion for firearms was solid and he was known as Americas Gunmaker, for good reasons. 2nd Amendment Supporters are up in "Arms" pun intended about the News broken by The Truth About Guns article concerning recent state licensing for all Illinois gun dealers that IFMA (Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association) a lobbying group back by Springfield Armory and Rock River This companys name is Mudd. my first AR was a rock river arms rrage. Do they somehow know the licensing scheme is going to be corrupt or extremely expensive? Major mistake, Springfield. Im sorry, I mean they would ask after putting you and your fliers in the dumpster. Wrong. But theyve already heard from their customers about the IFMA sell-out. As an Illinois dealer, I will no longer stock, sell or support Rock River Arms or Springfield Armory products. Sellouts. Glad I happened upon this article. You can learn to make good parts on a CNC a lot faster than on a Bridgeport or SouthBend. Im not selling it because of this cluster, but Im not buying from RRA again either. You ask what was Springfield supposed to do? Allexcept for gun owners and the non-big box store gun dealers who have to live and work in the Land of Lincoln. Apparently, John Smith isnt an advocate of the constitution or specifically the second amendment. This is why I said should not will. So Rock River Arms story is complete crap and a bald faced LIE on the order of, I did not have sex with that women. I posted a similar comment on another article about the same subject matter, but again, and for emphasis: SPRINGFIELD IS DEAD TO ME. Had it in the cart at buds ready to buy tomorrow and now it definitely is not going to happen. Please, spend your money where you want. Find gray, black, tan, alpine and other finishes on these .223 Rem / 5.56mm, .450 Bushmaster or 6.8 SPC chambered rifles. There should be a hall of shame for betrayals (and later repentances) by gun companies. Whats the hangup for SA? I cant imagine the CEOs of those two companies werent in the loop on these negotiations. Are they doing town halls? Its a FACT that those brands are twice the price as Ruger. Post interesting results everywhere. As a collector of modern handguns, I was very interested in Springfields new XD-E and was hoping to find one as soon as they became available until all of this political posturing took place in Illinois (I live in neighboring Indiana). From what I gathered from this article and all the information I viewed about this organization its hard to say just how much control SA and RRA has over the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association. I put 3.5k rounds through it before a malfunction. Meanwhile, theres another, ahem, firearm blog, that refuses to address the SA/RRA issue. Rock River Arms offers its version with a twist near and dear to my heart: the new LAR-15 pistol is available in both right- and left-hand configurations. Here I was just falling in love with my SA 1911 Loaded. Great gun. ), I DO have a choice with firearms. Mostly out of states with onerous laws and heavy taxation. I would move EVERYTHING 25 miles West to Davenport Iowa. September 30, 2010 By Greg Rodriguez. Springfield, on the other hand, has gone silent. it Bullshit. Looked at a custom SA 1911 before purchasing an STI. So I have to ask. Heres a basic synopsis of the original company; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Repeating_Arms_Company#Early_history. I can promise that none, and I mean none of my not unsubstantial refund, is going to wind up in Springfields receivables account. If you dont support Ruger you dont support American ideals. Ruger didnt compromise, they wrote the AWA and betrayed every American gun owner in a most serious way. It doesnt have to be both for the same reason. is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders. And now a sell out. In short, this means rifle-makers need to adapt, and one company taking that step is Rock River Arms (RRA) with its LAR-15 Operator III in 5.56mm NATO. Czech Republic makes good guns,like CZs. Then beg for forgiveness. My sprinters were not seeing much action lately. No more. Ruger today is a strong supporter of everything 2A. The company makes a wide variety of weapons, There is NOTHING I need from a company that is obviously manipulating the system for themselves. Wasnt sold on DAO until I shot it. Initially I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but after I thought about Reeses statement, and now that Ive seen Larsons statement, I would have liked to see hecklers run Springfields employees right out of Atlanta. Asit should. Rock River booth at the NRA convention, owner Chuck Larson has professed innocence in the matter. And no one calls or emails the company that is one of the largest contributor the IFMA group. What would I do if I was RRA and SAI? Accurate and precise for Rugers stated public position was screw every other gun manufacturer and screw the American gun owners, as long as Ruger makes it and we want government contracts! What should be boycotted is this garbage blog. theyre NOT trapped in Illinois,they can relocate,same as other gun companies have done. It was a great decision, I have never looked back. Not a nice odor. $14.95 Per Firearm One $9.99 Charge For Any Amount of Accessories I was going to buy the Saint, seemed like a.nice rifle, now.they can piss up a rope. Most places, its still over $1500. Keller dropped IFMAs opposition, providing cover for a couple of wavering Senators to vote for the bill. I imagine that there will be a few FFLs leaving IL. Its real easy for you people to bash a company when you dont own shit. Both companies are stalwart defenders of 2A rights and arent in the habit of heavily funding Bloomberg puppet, anti gun politicians, as has been discovered of both SA and RRA. No offense meant, I was just pointing out that Springfield Armory has no connection to the city of Springfield Illinois. Lobbying groups run on a lot of assumptions and they dont take a vote from membership every time a change is made to a bill that they think concerns their members. Rock River Arms is a firearms manufacturer located in Colona, Illinois. Rock Solid: Rock River Arms NSP CAR Rifle. How did the unveiling of the new pistol go? Have been eyeballing the SA Saint the last couple weeks. Dont forget about the Ruger, Smith and Wesson sellout.. Damn shame. Nothing Springfield will ever be in my collection now. Come to find out the guy had paid triple for the supply to be trucked in so people could have them. When you sell high dollar items like firearms, it is really, really, unbelievably stupid, to piss off your customer base at rebate time. S&W was sold for 12% of its former value. Cancelled orders? Wow, the article on Reese is incredible. After the backlash he closed down the store and retired. He didnt say, Hey, we screwed up. Maybe they should look to Beretta. I only want American Made firearms like Henry & Ruger. Does anyone really buy RRAs BS, We didnt know? In order to try to get a lock on about 1.6 million FOID holders in Illinois, Springfield has angered the other 80 million gun owners in the rest of the nation. Two more companies added to my do not buy from list. Which would help with elimination if in the future. I was just about to order another springfield xdm .45. I wanted one with the threaded barrel and suppressor sights. Pretty small and isolated country town. I know I wont be buying anything else from springfield armory. WebRock River Arms RAGE AR-15 Rifle 5.56 Nato / .223 Rem, 16" BBL, 6 Position Stock, M-LOK Free Float Rail, 30 Round, LAR-15M - Model DS1850 Carbine. (Im a 30 yr Vet). I dont expect everyone to feel that way. An M1A was at the top of my wish list that I saving for. Its transfers. They ignored it. However, if youre willing to spend a little extra money on your rifle, Rock River Arms is definitely worth considering. Cant beat that! Like other gun-manufacturers Springfield can move its operations to a gun-friendly state. Plenty of folks out there shooting LWRC, ArmaLite, DPMS who would argue theirs are reliable, accurate, & mo betta too. Rock River Arms built its reputation on quality semi-automatic AR-pattern rifles and 1911 handguns. Very close to where I grew up. Hes hurt the small guys trying to kiss up to the big retailers here in Illinois. Start by giving everyone involved a TSA-style probe. Rock Bolt Gun Rbg-1s Starting At $4,450. One of the few cases of sincere contrition. Springfield Armory had two, and their now-fired lobbyist held the fourth IFMA directorship. Out of stock Compare. AND everyone that the lobbyist represents must be in agreement. Low character move. You and your mindset are one of the problems with this country. We reserve the right to adjust product prices as dictated by the market.. RRA models, like the RRAGE, LAR15, BTB, ATH, LAR68 & Light Mountain, are available in many different color options and calibers. Advertise their treachery. More recently, they do this big Saint countdown/reveal that just ends up being Another Entry-Level AR-15, just what the market needed. Some mightsay IFMAs change of heart might not have made a definitive difference. Youre welcome to come visit and help during the next election cycle. Its called doing business. Dennis Reeses statement to TTAGon IFMAs deal was insulting. My hard earned money is going to be spent at Ruger. Springfield could have fought thisor vocally opposed it on its way to potential passage. I want to see how they fix the mess they created with the people who liked their product. We can live without them much better than they can live with out us. In your opinion. Had a Springfield 1911 that I sold late last year to fund another purchase and was thinking of replacing it with a TRP at some point guess this gives me all the excuses I needed to spend a few hundred more for a Dan Wesson or an STI. Theres no way to know for sure. Gun owners have good memories, it will take a year but Springfield like Target will notice their mistake on their Revenue numbers and blame the weather, the president, insert excuse here. Aluminum Mags Just Starting At $14.00 At Rock River Arms. If you want to scope your BM 59, there is a company that makes a direct over the bore scope kit for Garands that fits the BM59. That being said, even if we do, Springfield is done as a company. This new model is the latest in the growing line of rifles and pistols based on the RRAGE platform. CZ-75/85 are great guns. It only sells a 100% American Made product using American Labor. They have a good ongoing business, why jeopardize it? What gets me is there has been plenty of time and opportunity for damage control or to save face but they havent done anything to fix what theyve done. Not a smart move in a buyers market, or any really. Bummer, I was considering a Springfield 1911 at some point. Several other really good CCs out there too if you want one of the big mfgs. Pick something and follow it. There is a story of a guy that got run out of business after a hurricane because he jacked his prices up for generators. Many companies make mistakes, sometimes huge. That alone is enough to put them out of business. They ONLY DO WHAT THEIR CLIENTS TELL THEM TO DO. Ive bought 4 guns in the last year and a half since they opened their store. I considered buying an XDs when I was looking for a conceal carry, glad I bought something else. Totally revitalized the economy of an American community with their 3rd plant. If discounted to $0, maybe. Most importantly, support our brothers in arms in Illinois. However, the R-51 is a bear to clean and still hasnt proven itself totally for CC, coming off its well documented ill fated Gen 1 launch and Remingtons continued reliability issues. The silent majority will get the shaft, not gonna be any civil war, get over yourself. And their ammo prices were astronomical. Especially ones outside Chiraq. RRA is pretty close to Iowa iirc. I dont have anything from either of the turncoat manufacturers and based on their actions, I never will. Of course there will be others that benefit as well. Down side is nobody making spare mags for it yet other than Hornor Defense. Rock River Arms has built a reputation as a quality maker of modern sporting rifles and offers an extremely diverse list of models and options. That doesnt change whats actually been proven that was three years ago. Posted: 1/27/2021 10:51:01 AM EST. Thank God we have a Rural King now here local. Never, ever. I am not positive, but didnt Beretta get so pissed with Maryland that they moved everything, or is it still on going? Good for them, too. Ruger sold us out on the 94 AWB and it is well documented. The owners at S&W that colluded with Clinton paid the price for it. Anytown on I80 feels like the Chicago area to the downstaters. You wont be able to pull a fast one and expect to not get called out on it. I sent an email and their response was the parts were out of stock. The lobbyists sometimes seriously overestimate how happy something will make a member or simply dont have the time to keep the membership completely up to date with minute-by-minute updates on how wrangling over a bill is proceeding. That is only if Springfield Arms survives this. Thats how capitalism works. If truth about guns knows whats good for them, theyll be taking this story down and apologizing publicly for spreading untrue assumptions. Might see if you can find one to test out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Repeating_Arms#History. That is their only 2 clients because it only exists and was created for them. Lower Half, A2 Stock Just From $410. Not everyone reads TTAG or keeps up with this sort of in the weeds stuff. What if I want to get some real nice (read expensive) gun and in order to spare my familys budget I decide to sell part of my gun collection? Includes larger .1555 MSRP: $111.99 $75.81. I swear its getting hard to keep track of them all by memory. If your going to bash or boycott one then bash and boycott all. See below for more information. Springfield isnt doing anything that the vast majority of companies do, protecting their bottom line. Id bet a bunch of employees would jump at the chance go move from IL to TN or MO or TX. No Springfield guns for me. Or in the General Assembly. I will now buy another LAR-8 in case you idiots force RRA out of business. A corrupt Illinois politician. AR-15 Parts. Since 2002. Peoplr lose jobs, get divorced, buy better guns and so on. I just wish there was a good M14 clone I could get. So, buying 5 and selling 4 is the limit. With an MSRP of $860, it is a capable rifle at great price point. I live in Illinois. +1, they are a bunch of liars praying on the ignorant. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Rock River Arms had one seat. thats what Illinois is hoping for stand our ground, Springfield got me right in my Grip Zone with this move, bu-bye SA. So I went on a buying spree. I would say that Ruger has done more to support the 2A than all other companies combined. For folks like me, it is no longer enough to be willing to fight and die for these rights, but to be willing to kill for them as well. But when you have a muti million dollar company thats set up in a state thats you cant just pick up and move then you do what you have to do to survive. They rebrand the HS2000 as the XD and jack up the price $200. Never buying anything from springfield ever again and my one xdm is up for sale as of yesterdayI dont even want it in my safe. Thankfully, many of the downstate Dems are staunchly pro-gun. In the end, the timing proved fortuitous to all involved. No they dont. The LWRC, DD and BCM are ALL over $1300. Get a Dan Wesson instead. Regardless of who did what,the after-effects of this deal and a legislative loss will be felt far beyond Illinois for some time to come. Kahr moved out of NY. Thats a double-whammy of reduced demand in the current market. Rock River's LAR-458 is the top pick for hunters because of its value, excellent trigger and superb accuracy. Yes, a company can move and thrive, as it only a matter of time before the cutout is removed and they are closed down. So thats a reason for ignoring the fact that Ruger basically wrote the assault weapons ban? Ruger, S&W, Springfield, Rock River, Ive seen people complain about Glock and Colt, Hex Mag, and about a dozen more. No sane company would move in to Illinois unless it was to curry political favor in Chicago as Boeing moving their HQ (no production) did. Up yours Springfield! We need the pistols to get to our rifles anyway. This would appear to be financial suicide by Springfield. Only Ruger has in the past few years regularly donated millions to the NRA. Did Springfield get shouted down at their own party? The S&W deal with Clinton was made on March 17, 2000 and the company was sold for $45 million ($15 million cash and $30 million in acquired debt) on May 11, 2001 Your Price: $744.13. Rock River Arms is an American manufacturer of firearms that was founded in 1996. they should have fought not laid over. That is sooo repetitious! Do you know how much the dealer bought them for? If I was a competitor, Id print up ten thousand flyers announcing Springfields decision and carpet the show with them. Never give one inch or miles will be lost. Smith and Ruger more than compensated for erroneous thinking. Sooner or later they are going to destroy you. And to be fair, those are twice the price of the Ruger. This will damage Springfield Armorys brand nation-wide, in a business where reputation is everything. Rock Rivers AR builds are superb, and they come in at a price thats quite reasonable (starting at $1,585). How did Ruger even survive to do a turn-around? Typical narrow minded hypocrites. While it was a great pistol, the front strap checkering was just way too aggressive for bare hands. AR Parts. The .308-caliber LAR-8 is plenty of gun for big-game hunting. When no one else had any left. Maybe there is a Mrs. Reese or someone or something burning cash on the side (gambling, drugs, who knows) that is consuming profit faster than SA can generate it. SA created it). Such a thing exists. Huh? The idea being that this bill is so toxic that Senators passing it or the Governor signing it will be drawn into a wide-ranging financial and criminal probe. The future for firearms manufacturers is less than certain due to falling demand and moving a 50year old corporation like SA out of state is a huge expenditure. SA, who knows, maybe they can retool to make manure spreaders. Its enough of a turnaround that I forgive their earlier sins.. Olympic Arms continued this legacy with its OA-93, OA-96 and OA-98 models. And IFMA successfully lobbied and got a manufactures exemption this bill . People Of The Gun have long memories. We are not obligated to honor a price that is in print or an error. We need more FFLs down here so there will be some competition. I hope that it will bankrupt them, for it appears to be the only way these gun companies will learned to to alienate their comsumers. Ben Franklin once said, If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately.. Reese is a business guy, not a gun guy, as this video demonstrates: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkfjwStDUUQ, At 1:02 hes pointing the XD at the host (which Leathem mentions, ?). (This is in response to Mark). So in a nutshell Ruger and Springfield are now on the list. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/28141995/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/illinois-has-long-legacy-public-corruption/, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_state_and_local_politicians_convicted_of_crimes. Shocking I know. They hate this stuff because opponents can use it. Keyboard commandos wont fight it out on any battlefield. It might not have, but then again, if Senator Harmon didnt think it wouldnt have gotten himthat last vote or two he needed, he wouldnthave offered the deal. And the law mainly affecting small businesses, thats a feature, I think, not a bug. One dealer told me hes pulling Springfield product from his shelves to give his salespeople a break from carping customers. I had some AR parts on order a few days before Sands Hook. Hence why, even with Democrats holding a super-majority in both our House and Senate, and a rabidly anti-gun Governor, we held the line even post-Newtown. WebRock River Arms LAR-15 Fred Eichler Predator 223 Remington/5.56 NATO AR15 Semi Auto Rifle $ Remove from Compare Add to Compare. This is going to be really bad for RRA and Springfield. Screw that. And then maybe. WebCoyote Carbine Upper Half LAR-15M .300 AAC. Is Rob Leatham going to stick with Springfield after this debacle? They profess innocence at this point, lets see if their actions match their words. They were charging $100 for a 30 round mag during the panic. If these dam gun man. If youre looking for a good, dependable AR at a reasonable price, I dont think you Glad to see TTAG not shy away from it. Whats the feedback at the NRA show running like? The law doesnt get past the senate without Springfields cooperation. What part of their history am I missing Gov? Last Updated. Great comment, but I dont think it is enough. Enjoy 45% Off Rock River Arms Goods At Walmart. Fuck Ruger as well. I know people who continue to not buy Ruger even after his kids made up for the old mans traitorous ways. S&W was owned by a British company who were forced to sell their company for pennies on the dollar. Bill Ruger was key in the implementing of the 94 AWB, refusing to sell evil 20+ round magazines to anyone but .gov entities? 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