Its more gun than anyone human needs as is. B It feels like an older system but its still extremely effective, especially at range. Im sorry this fella got his panties in a bunch, but seriously, Springfield Armory M1As and .45s were good enough for him to buy nearly TWENTY over the years, but they dont send him a metal butt-plate and so hes going to LRB? Finally, the M1A is just a beautiful, traditional-looking rifle. Basically, it shoots a powerful round, 7.62 NATO/.308 Win., a very long way. Stocks aside, the two-stage military trigger, along with the detachable box magazine, operating rod, and roller cam bolt hint at the long tradition of the Standard Issue Model M1A. I have the standard model with the walnut stock: the classic look. If you go the scope route, dont scrimp on your glass. MSRP for the synthetic M1A Scout Squad Rifle is $1,883. Mine weighs about 9 pounds. If you're one of those shooters that's needs and can utilize the extra accuracy, and you think your round count will probably be over 6K rounds a year every year, then bite the bullet on the wait time and drop the extra money for the Fulton. Reengaging the safe was a bit tighter but still manageable fairly easily. The lighter bullets makes this rifle a sweetheart to shoot. If you need to butt-stroke someone, the M1A is your boy! Great review. There are, however, a few important differences: Selector switch cutout in M1A stock manufactured in 1997 Early M1A receivers were made from surplus M14 receiver blanks, current M1A receivers are made from precision investment cast AISI 8620 alloy steel. Editors Note: This excerpt is from Modern Survival Guns: The Complete Preppers' Guide to Dealing with Everyday Threats, available now at GunDigestStore.com. Like the Scout Squad model, the SOCOM 16 comes with a muzzle brake to reduce felt recoil and reduce muzzle rise. Why taint a reasonably good gun review by calling up the image of a communist tyrant like Guevara? Select what level shooter you are! The Scout Squad model measures 4-inches shorter than the Standard Issue, with an 18-inch barrel. This particular rifle seemed to like the Federal a bit more with an average group size at 100 yards of 1.25-1.4. gear. Get proficient on YOUR time. Megan did a great job in showcasing the different models. Ive just ordered my first M1A and cant wait for it to arrive. (barrel warp). The standard has a military aperture open .069 with MOA for windage and elevation. Also, I would love to take an M1A out and spend some more time behind one. First shot i jerked trigger and was low and left 3, next shot was relaxed and dead on bull. They also have the same operating rod and rotating bolt. Good review. I have many large-bore rifles from .22-250 to .375 H&H to .45-120 Sharps, and though not quite suitable for Africa, if I could only have one, the Springfield Armory Scout-Squad might very well be it. If you have questions about the Scout Squad or firearms in general, feel free to shoot me a message on Instagram @fridgeoperator. WASR-10 AK-47. There is a picture of one mounted, but I didnt see the type. The brake does little to reduce the flash signature of the .308 round in low light conditions. I have had both loaded M1A and a scout squad, both have pros and cons. The sniper with the highest kill ratio in vietnam was an Army sniper using an M21 which is nothing more than an accurized M14 with a 10 power scope. Outfitted with a traditional stock it offers finishes in walnut, black composite, or flat dark earth composite. Your backpack is hefty. After basic I went to AIT in recon, I was issued a M16, it sure was different than the M14. Since then, several more companies have come forward with their own Cooper-inspired scout rifles. Picked up an M1A squad scout a few years ago and will never go back! It is not an activity for weenies or whiners. Ive taken mule deer and antelope with it and all have been one-shot DRT. On top of its excellent round choice, the M1A has a reputation for being a highly reliable, accurate rifle popular among 3-Gun, National Match, and other competition shooters. The Springfield Armory M1A Scout Squad gas-operated rifle tames the recoil of the 7.62 cartridge to a positively manageable level. Leupold FX-II 2.5x28mm IER Scout on the M8 optics rail from UltiMAK. (Minus the Loaded model, but more on that later.). A red dot could easily be mounted. Springfield ~ M1A Loaded ~ .7.62 NATO GI#: 102228493 Youre either a spoiled millennial or a certified A-hole. Kind of blew my mind that CA liberal idiots scream about ARs but never utter a peep about this much more powerful monster. Copyright 2023 Pew Pew Media, Inc. All rights reserved. Its available with either an oversized walnut stock or McMillian black fiberglass stock. The concept of the scout rifle was developed by recognized gun expert, the late Lt. Col Jeff Cooper. [Ed: unless it is.] And a Turner National Match Biothane All Weather Sling. I broke out the chamber brush and solvent and scrubbed my little heart out. I have about 25 guns of all types, and I can honestly say that my Scout, with composite stock, is the best gun I own. One thought. Most had multiple tours. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Springfield M1A SCOUT SQUAD RIFLE vs STANDARD ISSUE RIFLE Posted: 11/24/2020 4:27:36 PM EST Why would I choose one over the other? This allowed for scout rifles to be reloaded faster with stripper clips and ensured that ejection of empty cases was not engendered in any way. HUH? With its 18-inch barrel and scout optics mount forward of the action, its a slightly handier version of the full size M1A: the darling of competitive shooters for generations. And rifles have heft. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. All of this adds up an accurate rifle. Not to mention the rifle can be purchased with or without a Vortex Venom red dot sight and Springfield Armory clip guide red dot mount. It has a 22-inch, 6-groove parkerized carbon steel with a 1:11 right-hand twist. Front Sight: National Match .062 Military Post Ive been studying those and will probably go with. This is a beautiful rifle. Gun Review: Springfield Armory M1A Scout Squad, NRA Smoking Gun on National Parks Rifle Regs, Oh, The Humanity: Latest Polling Shows a Majority of Americans Now Oppose an Assault Weapons Ban, Smith & Wesson Announces the New M&P FPC Pistol Caliber Carbine, Get Ready for the Invasion of Canadian Feral Super Pigs, http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac160/The_H2O_, http://www.fredsm14stocks.com/catalog/parts.asp. Just make sure instructions are left how to care for it, kids these days, hope my grandson enjoys it as much as i do one day. I solved the [rifles] problem by disassembling the M1As trigger assembly and lightly polishing the safetys contact surfaces. The rifle is heavier than an AR, but not prohibitively so. Only one company built Cooper his scout rifle while he was alive, the Steyr Scout. I like it a lot because I can carry it in the house without hitting the wifes nice stuff. Thanks, H20 Man, for the info and the pic. I purchased my Scout in 2001 and now have two M14s with 18" barrels. The final difference between these two rifles is that the Scout uses detachable magazines, while the M16A uses internal magazines. Anyone know who is selling a winter trigger for the M1A??? First: I went to basic training at Fort Knox in 1973. Savage is known for making very accurate rifles at reasonable prices. In addition, the M1A Loaded model is the only one of the Springfield Armory M1A lineup thats available in 6.5 Creedmoor, as well as .308 Win. The M8 keeps optics low (no cheek riser needed) and it allows you to co-witness the iron sights through low sitting Aimpoint red dot optics. Springfield Armory Manufacturer of the Year Ballistic Learn more However, its only available in the black composite. When looking at the full-size version compared to the shorter Scout Squad rifle, I was curious how much the muzzle brake cut down on overall recoil compared to its full-size M1A brother. Really derivative article if it wasnt written by a bot it was written by an author entirely on autopilot. Designed for quick snap shots at a target, the Scout Squad is packed with all the standard features that make the M1A great, plus new features like a specially designed muzzle brake to help tame recoil. If you want a rifle rich with heritage and history, solid in construction, has proven accuracy and is just dang fun to shoot, the M1A should be on your list. The M1A Scout Squad is a gas-operated, magazine fed rifle built out of nearly 10 pounds of parkerized steel and walnut. Have you tried steel cased ammo in it? Having a low power, high quality scope, such as a Leupold scout scope not only does not hinder your aiming out to 600 yards, but makes it easier and faster to aim than iron sites. Meet the Scout Squad. When I sat down and fired the first few rounds, I can truthfully say I completely forgot I was shooting a rifle chambered in 308 Win. VG6 PRECISION - AR 308 EPSILON 762 MUZZLE BRAKES 5. Whoa, This sounds like my kinda gal, .45s and M1As! 3. Thanks for the review. If you have the money buy this rifle, it is fun to shoot and will be great hand me down to grandsons. (without magazine) Sights: Iron with rail Stock: Plastic Action: Bolt Finish: Black, gray or green Capacity: 5+1 rounds Price: $1,699. I was for five years and carried an M14 everyday during one of my tours in Iraq. Ruger developed their own scout concept and dubbed it appropriately the Gunsite Scout Rifle. Gunsite is, of course, the training facility established by Jeff Cooper. Im an average joe that really loves talking with other people about firearms and other passions. I had a scout 16 and in a stupid moment sold it, now I am replacing it with the scout squad. Finally, the M1A SOCOM 16 CQB model is an even more tactical take on the M1A SOCOM 16 model. But the M1A has a few things going for it. Firing the M16 on full auto was a breeze, no problem. The accuracy of this gun, with open sights only, is amazing. Rear Sight: Military Aperture, Adjustable for Windage and Elevation Now that you know about a few of my favorite models of the Springfield Armory M1A, lets briefly touch on the other models. @ Josh I was a 13B for over 4 years, wile in Afghanistan in 09 i got to leave the M777s and M109s and hump my gun bunny a** all over the Wardak province. (, We noticed that you have previously logged in with your, Check what do you get by creating an account, Bookmark and compare your favorite firearms, Best Springfield Armory M1A Models [Ultimate Guide]. Weve built dozens of ARs and well cover all the best AR-15 upgrades such as handguards, triggers, BCGs, gas blocks, and more. Trigger: 2 Stage Military Trigger, 5-6 lbs. Secondly, without adjustable knobs, you have to site in at a fixed distance, say at 100 yards, which limits you to hit at 300 yards, and with a600 yard 308 cartridge? One of the major differences between the standard-issue Springfield Armory M1A and the M1 Garand is definitely the gas system. Might as well have the best of both worlds. Gotcha. The Scout Squad was drastically softer in terms of recoil and muzzle rise. http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac160/The_H2O_, Probably gonna get one soon. It is only available in one size and caliber. A rifleman can use the combination to press out a shot with minimal effort. I would say I shot very actively for about a decade (the 80s). But thats enough about similarities. Cooper felt that 2-3x magnification was sufficient. It ate everything it was fed but gets finicky about extraction if the chamber is dirty. You have entered an incorrect email address! Walther PPS 9mm. I dont want to say they all hated the M16A1 but they all had these terrific battle rifles taken out of their hands and replaced by the 16s. was used in combination with the M14 by snipers in Viet Nam with excellent results. With that said I think in this day and age Jeff Cooper would have embraced the Springfield Armory Scout Rifle. Reliability * * * * The M1A Tanker model offers a 16.25-inch parkerized carbon steel barrel and a vintage walnut stock. It also brings a standard AR-style commercial buffer tube, allowing you to switch out the stock for just about any AR-compatible stock. The loaded has a match grade aperture open .052 with 1/2 MOA windage and MOA elevation. A standard M1A Scout from SA would probably be fine for about 80% of the shooting population out there. The M1A feels similar to both the M14 and the M1 Garand. The password should contain at least 8 characters with at least one number or special character. Sounds like someone has an anger issue;) Back to the review though, I absolutely LOVE this rifle and would never sell it (although many have asked). Problem two: like its predecessor, the legendary M1 Garand, the M1A Scout Squads safety positioned in the front of the trigger guard. It needs nothing. The Springfield M1A for sale is a high-performance semi-automatic rifle with the looks and feel of the classic US Military M14. Savage 111 left hand bolt action .30-06 w/ Nikon 3-9x40 BDC scope. I bought a Springfield M1A about 2 years ago and Im sorry to say I have yet to fire it, I plan to this summer. Ive seen that particular video some time back and I definately remember him NOT being so excited about the M1A ..actually just the only vid I do know of where hes not a fan. I laughed at the name,then looked into the concept and now own one. The gas block distance from the handguard looks shorter (angle of the pic? We investigate Springfield Armory's M1A models and rundown the pros and cons of each model to help you choose the M1A that's right for you. At 400 yds milk jugs are dead meat. Its good to go for both long distance accuracy and quick combat-style deployment. Otherwise this is a turd design as is the Scout concept anyway. Lets talk about the differences among the models. Hello! It comes in at 37.25-inches in length and just 8.75-pounds. (but be sure to wear good hearing protection because that thing is LOUD). I'm a patient man. This would appear to address one of the original complaints lodged against the M14 rifle. Now, I understand, the full-size 22 M1A has better range and accuracy at distance, but if we are just looking at shooting enjoyment, I really think the Scout Squad is the better route to go. Basically, the M1A is the civilian version of the M14 designed by Springfield for the U.S. military. Springfield Armory has been churning out M1A rifles for some time and has developed a scout version as well. The M1A Scout Squad rifle features a rugged rear sight that is easily adjustable for both windage and elevation without tools. But thats not surprising given that the M14 is a direct descendent of the M1 Garand. Like other scout rifles, the Savage 11 Scout is a bolt action with a forward-mounted optics rail, backup iron ghost ring sights, and a synthetic stock. I have a Springfield M1A scout and I love it more than anything. And its nice to be able to quickly remove the scope and with the Bobro mount have it guaranteed to return to exact point-of-aim when replaced. USGI fiberglass stock. I took it deer hunting in August. As far as scopes are concerned, I have never put any optics or scopes on it, the iron sights have suited me just fine, although one day I might like to try an Aimpoint. I prefer the classic appearance of the walnutbut the composite stocks work just as well. Theres just the right amount of take-up before you slam into a crisp, predictable five-pound break. But I thought the M14 was the standard service rifle until 1969, when officially replaced by the M16. Lets take a closer look at the Springfield Armory M1A Scout Squad Rifle. I like a Leatherwood LER2732. Rather annoying after a long shooting session. The M1A was designed by Elmer C. Ballance of the Springfield Armory Inc., in 1974. Overall Length: 40.5 in. I told this to Jeff Cooper years ago, and of course he wasnt pleased but I am right and he was wrong. The Hornady 178gr averaged 1.5 at 100 which is still respectable for an older rifle design. With its walnut stock and Parkerized metal, the Springfield M1A is a line-by-line clone of the as-issued M14, from its flash hider (or a muzzle break in AWB states) to its butt flapper. Weight is a small consideration, even for my 70-year-old legs and the Wyoming prairie land. Meanwhile, lucky you. When your head is tilted, your brain thinks there is a imbalance, and your accuracy & precision subconsciously suffers. I've always been a fan of the M14 and its civilian variants. There are no ergonomic after-effects. I think they are popular and respected by civilian shooters because they are well-suited to the type of shooting that civilians do: Camp Perry-style long-range shooting at stationary paper targets that dont shoot back As for your dealer having a rack full of M1As not selling.. you are clearly showing the true purpose of your review with that statement. It was introduced in 1998 (see "Dope Bag," April, 2000, p. 50). For now, if youve got the $1500 to spend on a bad-ass rifle, and can afford to keep her fed and happy, the M1A Scout Squad is a do-it-all kind of gun. Saving up for a Sage EBR stock, at the expense of more weight. The Springfield Armory M1A Scout Squad gas-operated rifle tames the recoil of the 7.62 cartridge to a positively manageable level. So we are in total agreement. Type your email address and well send The scope makes the rifle more fun, my old eyes dont see well enough to use the steel ones. Introduced in 1974, its very similar to the Standard Issue Model in many ways but is designed for competition rather than law enforcement. Each stock also uses multiple sling attachment loops. High tech sight lovers can mount their choice of a Long Eye Relief (LER) or a red dot scope. Props to the generous sight radius and the .062 national match front sight post. It replaced the M1 Garand as the standard issue rifle for American troops from 1959 to 1964. The SAGE EBR stock (either style) is a real upgrade and I prefer them over traditional stocks. My feeling is something like this with a Spikes Tactical chest rig for magazines would be a perfect go-to gun for SHTF situations. A good stock must be of high quality, durable, adjustable, ergonomically balanced, aesthetically pleasing, and have extra mounting space for accessories. After all, the average American gun owner isnt using it for jungle combat. 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